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dav_hamill
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

I'm beggining to hate Juicys. After the wet weather at the Merida I
needed to change my brake pads. That isn't a probelm in itself.

But I'm growing a little bored of the tedium caused by trying to
change these pads. I can never push the calipers back far enough to
get the new pads in. So I need to loosen the screws on the reservoir
to let a little fluid out (Thanks for that tip Tom).

The way that Avid position the reservoir you need to remove the lever
from the bar just to do this. MThis is a little more than I would like
to do just to change a set of pads.

Anyway, this time one of the screws was too tight and i've mangled the
head of the screw completely so it's going nowhere. Is there a way
I'll ever get this screw out?

Anyway I struggled on after that but got nowhere. I ended up letting a
little fluid out at the caliper end. I knew this was a stupid idea at
the time but I was getting annoyed.

So now I have a brake that needs bled with a screw that is stuck on
the reservoir.

Any recommendations for a decent brake to replace them with? Or do you
have any ideas about what I should do?

OD

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

I let the fluid out at the caliper end on my juicys ... didn't seem to cause
any problems.

Though I do agree that fitting new pads is a horrible experience until you
let some of the fluid out!


On 27/06/07, dav_hamill <daviehamill@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:

I'm beggining to hate Juicys. After the wet weather at the Merida I
needed to change my brake pads. That isn't a probelm in itself.

But I'm growing a little bored of the tedium caused by trying to
change these pads. I can never push the calipers back far enough to
get the new pads in. So I need to loosen the screws on the reservoir
to let a little fluid out (Thanks for that tip Tom).

The way that Avid position the reservoir you need to remove the lever
from the bar just to do this. MThis is a little more than I would like
to do just to change a set of pads.

Anyway, this time one of the screws was too tight and i've mangled the
head of the screw completely so it's going nowhere. Is there a way
I'll ever get this screw out?

Anyway I struggled on after that but got nowhere. I ended up letting a
little fluid out at the caliper end. I knew this was a stupid idea at
the time but I was getting annoyed.

So now I have a brake that needs bled with a screw that is stuck on
the reservoir.

Any recommendations for a decent brake to replace them with? Or do you
have any ideas about what I should do?

OD




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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

Sad

Mine need done after the weekend too I think and I've not tried it
before....



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I let the fluid out at the caliper end on my juicys ... didn't
seem to cause
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any problems.

Though I do agree that fitting new pads is a horrible experience
until you
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let some of the fluid out!


On 27/06/07, dav_hamill <daviehamill@...> wrote:
Quote:

I'm beggining to hate Juicys. After the wet weather at the
Merida I
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needed to change my brake pads. That isn't a probelm in itself.

But I'm growing a little bored of the tedium caused by trying to
change these pads. I can never push the calipers back far enough
to
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get the new pads in. So I need to loosen the screws on the
reservoir
Quote:
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to let a little fluid out (Thanks for that tip Tom).

The way that Avid position the reservoir you need to remove the
lever
Quote:
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from the bar just to do this. MThis is a little more than I
would like
Quote:
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to do just to change a set of pads.

Anyway, this time one of the screws was too tight and i've
mangled the
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head of the screw completely so it's going nowhere. Is there a
way
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I'll ever get this screw out?

Anyway I struggled on after that but got nowhere. I ended up
letting a
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little fluid out at the caliper end. I knew this was a stupid
idea at
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the time but I was getting annoyed.

So now I have a brake that needs bled with a screw that is stuck
on
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the reservoir.

Any recommendations for a decent brake to replace them with? Or
do you
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have any ideas about what I should do?

OD




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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Marshall" <yahoo@...>
wrote:
Quote:
I let the fluid out at the caliper end on my juicys ... didn't seem
to cause any problems.

Though I do agree that fitting new pads is a horrible experience
until you let some of the fluid out!

I have Juicy 7s on my Anthem (unexpected bonus upgrade) and
considering you can adjust their bite point to somewhere inside the
handlebars - with new pads - I expect that pad changing should be a
bit easier with them. I agree though, changing pads on Juicy 5s can
be frustrating. Remembering back to the Hope brakes I had, I'm still
glad I made the swap.

I am tempted to buy one of the Juicy bleed kits so I don't have to
rely on an LBS to sort my brakes out for me. It sounds like bleeding
Juicys is a bit of a faff but not actually that difficult if you have
the kit.

Chris

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

Yeah I thopught about the Juicy 7s but I think that dial just moves
the caliper in the way that you do when you push it back. That would
still mean that you'd need to let out some fluid in order to be able
to dial it back far enough to get the pads in.

What are Hope Minis like? There's a guy selling some on STW.

OD

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<thinkingengine@...> wrote:
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--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Marshall" <yahoo@>
wrote:
Quote:
I let the fluid out at the caliper end on my juicys ... didn't seem
to cause any problems.

Though I do agree that fitting new pads is a horrible experience
until you let some of the fluid out!

I have Juicy 7s on my Anthem (unexpected bonus upgrade) and
considering you can adjust their bite point to somewhere inside the
handlebars - with new pads - I expect that pad changing should be a
bit easier with them. I agree though, changing pads on Juicy 5s can
be frustrating. Remembering back to the Hope brakes I had, I'm still
glad I made the swap.

I am tempted to buy one of the Juicy bleed kits so I don't have to
rely on an LBS to sort my brakes out for me. It sounds like bleeding
Juicys is a bit of a faff but not actually that difficult if you have
the kit.

Chris



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jtm2000



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:53 am    Post subject: Damaged Brakes Reply with quote

Dave,

There are 2 x ways to fix your damaged screw:

1. you could drill out the damaged screw and fit a helicoil, however this is a bit of sensitive operation

2. get a small screw extractor RS part no 423-6679 for £8.00

When you get the screw/stud out, make sure you fit a stainless replacement, splined or torx head.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

Fwiw, I have Magura Martas and they have proved reliable with very good back
up from Marta when I did have a seal problem. The downside, apart from
exdpense, is availablilty of spare pads and I now keep a wee stock purchased
on the internet. They are not often required but I don't often check them
and so when they wear down I need spares quickly.



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From: mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com] On
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Sent: 28 June 2007 08:47
To: mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mtbscotland] Re: Should I just buy a new front brake?

Yeah I thopught about the Juicy 7s but I think that dial just moves the
caliper in the way that you do when you push it back. That would still mean
that you'd need to let out some fluid in order to be able to dial it back
far enough to get the pads in.

What are Hope Minis like? There's a guy selling some on STW.

OD

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lupton"
<thinkingengine@...> wrote:
Quote:

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart Marshall" <yahoo@>
wrote:
Quote:
I let the fluid out at the caliper end on my juicys ... didn't seem
to cause any problems.

Though I do agree that fitting new pads is a horrible experience
until you let some of the fluid out!

I have Juicy 7s on my Anthem (unexpected bonus upgrade) and
considering you can adjust their bite point to somewhere inside the
handlebars - with new pads - I expect that pad changing should be a
bit easier with them. I agree though, changing pads on Juicy 5s can be
frustrating. Remembering back to the Hope brakes I had, I'm still glad
I made the swap.

I am tempted to buy one of the Juicy bleed kits so I don't have to
rely on an LBS to sort my brakes out for me. It sounds like bleeding
Juicys is a bit of a faff but not actually that difficult if you have
the kit.

Chris



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

Mine are Juicy 7s .... so yes you still have to let fluid out with them.

On 28/06/07, dav_hamill <daviehamill@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:

Yeah I thopught about the Juicy 7s but I think that dial just moves
the caliper in the way that you do when you push it back. That would
still mean that you'd need to let out some fluid in order to be able
to dial it back far enough to get the pads in.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:01 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

I'm guessing he means RS components:

http://rswww.com/


On 28/06/07, dav_hamill <daviehamill@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Tim,

Thanks for this What is RS?

OD



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:01 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

Hi Tim,

Thanks for this What is RS?

OD

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, jtm2000 <mtbsnew@...> wrote:
Quote:

Dave,

There are 2 x ways to fix your damaged screw:

1. you could drill out the damaged screw and fit a helicoil, however
this is a bit of sensitive operation
Quote:

2. get a small screw extractor RS part no 423-6679 for £8.00

When you get the screw/stud out, make sure you fit a stainless
replacement, splined or torx head.
Quote:

tim








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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:01 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

Let out fluid to change the pads? What's that about?

Get yourself some Hopes. I have 4-pots and the older C2s, both great
brakes. One thing that's good about Hope is they're mechanically
pretty simple and very serviceable. The Bicycle Works keep plenty of
stock of lots of components for them.

Another thing is their legendary backup/customer support. I'm
thinking that would be very useful in situations just like the one
you're in now.

Mark

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What are Hope Minis like? There's a guy selling some on STW.

OD



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: avid's Reply with quote

Dave,

Yes, sorry, R S components, they have a trade counter in Glasgow, 38 Baird Street, G4 0ED Tel 0141 552 4446 or order online, although delivery is expensive.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:26 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

maybe i'm tempting fate here- i've never had a problem getting pads in my
avids.

there that's blown it, next time i'm stuck 2mins from the middle of nowhere
cursing them damned brakes.


On 6/28/07, Stuart Marshall <yahoo@stuartmarshall.co.uk> wrote:
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I'm guessing he means RS components:

http://rswww.com/

On 28/06/07, dav_hamill < daviehamill@hotmail.com<daviehamill%40hotmail.com>>
wrote:
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Hi Tim,

Thanks for this What is RS?

OD


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:15 am    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, Mark Lister <marklister@...>
wrote:
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Let out fluid to change the pads? What's that about?

I think I experienced something similar because I got a shop to bleed
the brakes when they were fitted with worn pads. So there was too
much fluid in them for new pads - the rotors dragged and it was hard
to get the new pads in. Hopefully now I've learnt to coincide
bleeding with new pads, I shouldn't have that problem anymore.

Quote:
Get yourself some Hopes. I have 4-pots and the older C2s, both
great brakes. One thing that's good about Hope is they're
mechanically pretty simple and very serviceable. The Bicycle Works
keep plenty of stock of lots of components for them.

Conversely, two rides on a bike with Juicy 5s (thanks, Des!)
convinced me that I should get ride of my Minis and Mono Minis and
switch to Avids. It took two rides because I needed to bed the pads
in on the first ride. Wink

I've heard word that the latest Mono Minis are much improved but I
suddenly realised what I was missing when I tried non-Hopes. And
actually when I demoed a 5 Pro last December I wasn't too impressed
with the Mono Minis it had fitted. Mind you I haven't owned C2s or
[mono] M4s, nor tried them much.

I also remember hating changing the pads on my Mono Minis. The pin
that held the pads in place was itself held in place by a tiny rubber
o-ring and I found it really hard to get the pin in and out. The pin
on my older Minis was threaded and was far easier to extract and
insert.

Quote:
Another thing is their legendary backup/customer support. I'm
thinking that would be very useful in situations just like the one
you're in now.

I like the performance of Juicys enough that - for now - I can put up
with their poorer support. I like some of Hope's stuff but I don't
like the performance of their brakes enough to buy them on the
strength of their backup. It takes all sorts though, and obviously
others' have different opinions. Smile

Chris

ps, Try asking Steve (Vosh) about what he thinks of Hope brakes...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Should I just buy a new front brake? Reply with quote

I managed to drill the screw out. Just need the brake bled now.

I was considering getting a bleed kit and giving it a go myself but I
reckon I will just chuck it into the shop.

Thanks for the advice all.

OD


--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lupton"
<thinkingengine@...> wrote:
Quote:

--- In mtbscotland@yahoogroups.com, Mark Lister <marklister@>
wrote:
Quote:
Let out fluid to change the pads? What's that about?

I think I experienced something similar because I got a shop to bleed
the brakes when they were fitted with worn pads. So there was too
much fluid in them for new pads - the rotors dragged and it was hard
to get the new pads in. Hopefully now I've learnt to coincide
bleeding with new pads, I shouldn't have that problem anymore.

Quote:
Get yourself some Hopes. I have 4-pots and the older C2s, both
great brakes. One thing that's good about Hope is they're
mechanically pretty simple and very serviceable. The Bicycle Works
keep plenty of stock of lots of components for them.

Conversely, two rides on a bike with Juicy 5s (thanks, Des!)
convinced me that I should get ride of my Minis and Mono Minis and
switch to Avids. It took two rides because I needed to bed the pads
in on the first ride. Wink

I've heard word that the latest Mono Minis are much improved but I
suddenly realised what I was missing when I tried non-Hopes. And
actually when I demoed a 5 Pro last December I wasn't too impressed
with the Mono Minis it had fitted. Mind you I haven't owned C2s or
[mono] M4s, nor tried them much.

I also remember hating changing the pads on my Mono Minis. The pin
that held the pads in place was itself held in place by a tiny rubber
o-ring and I found it really hard to get the pin in and out. The pin
on my older Minis was threaded and was far easier to extract and
insert.

Quote:
Another thing is their legendary backup/customer support. I'm
thinking that would be very useful in situations just like the one
you're in now.

I like the performance of Juicys enough that - for now - I can put up
with their poorer support. I like some of Hope's stuff but I don't
like the performance of their brakes enough to buy them on the
strength of their backup. It takes all sorts though, and obviously
others' have different opinions. Smile

Chris

ps, Try asking Steve (Vosh) about what he thinks of Hope brakes...



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David - I've got an Avid bleed kit and some fluid. Welcome to pop round with the bike and I'll (we'll!) do it - it's a piss-easy job.

(In fact this evening would be a pretty good time to do it.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

househusband wrote:
I've got an Avid bleed kit and some fluid.

- it's a piss-easy job.



Andy - I've got one too. It's a piss easy job especially given the number of times it has to be done!

One word of warning - the bladders are made of cheese, and burst really easily.
If your system appears to be intact yet won't give you any power, submerse the whole thing and look for bubbles.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alasdair wrote:

It's a piss easy job especially given the number of times it has to be done!


Must admit that I have no cause to level any criticism at the Juicy 5's that I've got on two bikes, and the wife's. They've been reliable and the only issue I've had is indeed replacing pads - you just have to use strong language to get the pistons retracted, and some makes of pad can be easier than others. Also helps to use a small file to smooth the 'ramp' that engages with the retaining nipples on the pistons as you slide the new pads in.

The Hope Mono Mini's that I used to have, on the other hand... Evil or Very Mad
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